Sunday, December 21, 2008

Modern Art Vs. Production Art...

8 comments:

Anjin San said...

right on!

"Do what you want! and let them figure it out!"

PUPPIES!!!

Mark Chong said...

Yeah, Modern Artists are part of the cancer that is killing /Art/. :D

Christian R. said...

Hi,

I mostly agree with you. In my opintion a real artist should first and foremost learn to copy reality as good as possible and learn all the tools of the trade. I cant respect anyone who calls himself an artist and does nothing but putting yellow dots on a big canvas but on the other hand is unable to draw a halfway realistic looking hand for instance.

To me that shows that he hasnt really done his homework and can be considered a 'recreational' artist at best, due to his obvious laziness and inability to capture realism on a piece of paper, for that matter.

After that initial process, I'm not sure if it's wrong to kind of 'transcend' the realistic styles and go for something more abstract and surreal to better express and convey different emotions and internal worlds. But even then you will have better outcomes in putting the crazy images in your head on paper if you have solid foundations to work with.

Anyway, keep those vids coming, I very much enjoy just seeing you draw and paint and I deeply feel that you are really determined to help people get better with their art!

Cheers, Christian

Anonymous said...

The origin of advice puppy revealed!

Roko Vergara said...

:O that's not enterely right! athought i have meet some modern art snobs as the ones you described (lazy ass egomaniacs), most of us are really working seriously in this important, but useless area.
first, let me asure you that any "modern artist" that calls you a sellout, is most probably, in the circle of other modern artist, consired an idiot or is just jealous of your success. your work as a prodution artist is, by all means outstanding, as is the one you do as teacher on this videos (by the way, thank you so much, i am really learning a lot from them). one doesn't become as good as you are just for the money, you have to really love it, the money just comes naturally to someone that's good and enjoys drawing as much as this.
the confusion wich surround modern art starts when its compared with other disciplines in wich the word art is also aplicable, as desing or illustration, when they really should be considered complete different areas. they are as different as standup comedy is to debate, even thought they share some characteristics in common to the point that can sometimes easily change roles, their purpose is different.
I once hated modern artist as much you, but my path crossed modern art and now i enjoy it as much as I enjoy good drawing. and by this I don't mean to imply that for being capable of understand contemporary art i'm better than you in any way, au contraire, i love what i have seen of your work, i mean you can paint in ten minutes a photo-realistic image and yet you don't stop getting better, most people just conform with doing things just as good enought as their works required them to be.
most of the artists you name have some heavy reasons to be in a place in the history of art, althought, as you said, they never cared about being liked by the public. modern art seeks a different goal, that musn't be considered higher than production art, to preach art being more sofisticated or better than desing or illustration it's called mystification, and only contributes to increase the misunerstandings that surrounds art world. most competent contemporary artists are against mystification, as you are, and most of the work they done since duchamp points to unravel art from it.
as you said, art is for a few to understand but this is not because it lacks of coherence but because its uselessness and lack of practical goals wich are conditions for it to exist.
i dont wish to convince you to go and watch modern art if you dont like it, nor to make you chage your mind about art snobs (whom i also despise), but to make you see that to hate modern art, you have to loved first. otherwise it's just like this students you described that considered stupid, without even trying to practice, the coiling shapes excercice (wich by the way were develope by picasso, then you can see them in dali and giacometti finally domains).
man, you are so cool in what you do you shouldn't even bother whith modern art... unless you get to liked first.
psdt: please excuse my writing for english comes a little hard for me, and thank you again for your videos, their are the best i've seen so far and they came to me at the precise moment with the precise answer to some questions i didn't even think i had.

With Chili said...

I agree that what has been called "modern art" is mostly BS.

The Emperor is naked.

Anonymous said...

i think that being a teacher you should not spout off such narrow views of art.
Yes, a lot of "Modern art" is crap and those who proclaim to be in the know are full of it. But as a conceptual artist, three is a different thought process that is learned. Most people never developed it. Not a intellect thing, just different. People who call production artist a sell out are just jealous, because contemporary art does not sell very often. It would be better if they went back and learned all the basics. Some of the conceptual artist do have the basics and can draft and invent, so please don't lump us all as flakes and not deserving. Your were a bit unfair to collectors also. It is not your place to tell someone they are stupid because they happen to like something you don't. That is dangerous for a teacher to give such unfounded opinions as fact.

Mark Chong said...

Anonymous: i think that being a teacher you should not spout off such narrow views of art.

Nobody wants to say what is and what isn't art, and just about anything seems to be passed off as "Art". The more vaguely we define Art as a word, the less meaning it possesses.

When everything is accepted and tolerated, the motive for improvement disappears.

It's time to narrow down our views of Art.

Anonymous: Yes, a lot of "Modern art" is crap and those who proclaim to be in the know are full of it. But as a conceptual artist, three is a different thought process that is learned. Most people never developed it. Not a intellect thing, just different.It sure would be nice if someone were to share with us some concrete examples of this thought process. I'm DYING for the day that someone with an effective thought process can articulate himself to the rest of the world and save me the trouble.

But just because something's different doesn't mean it's better.

Anonymous: People who call production artist a sell out are just jealous, because contemporary art does not sell very often. It would be better if they went back and learned all the basics. Some of the conceptual artist do have the basics and can draft and invent, so please don't lump us all as flakes and not deserving.

An artist is wholly deserving of the response he elicits from his audience.

If you don't like the response you get from your work, you should change your process to get the response you want.

If you can't change your work to get the response you want, then you have only yourself to blame.

Anonymous: Your were a bit unfair to collectors also. It is not your place to tell someone they are stupid because they happen to like something you don't.

I didn't say they're stupid for liking things I don't. I said that people who buy art get what they deserve. Would YOU like to buy art made by someone possessing no skill?


Anonymous: That is dangerous for a teacher to give such unfounded opinions as fact.

Oh really? Is there some documented evidence that links my unfounded opinions to some form of specific damage?

If there's anything I have faith in, it's in the ability of my students to think for themselves and formulate their own opinions.

The Association Of Concerned Mothers doesn't have to get involved in this.

- Mark